Episode 25: Submit Pandemic: Time to Refocus on Your Compliance Program

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On this episode, Judy Waltz, Co-Chair of Foley’s Well being Care Observe Group, and Shannon Sumner, Chief Compliance Officer and Nashville’s Workplace Managing Principal of PYA, dive into what it takes to get again to “regular” for compliance applications following the PHE and the burning questions shoppers are asking.

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Judy Waltz

Hiya, and thanks to Angie and Jana for that fantastic introduction. I am Judy Waltz, I am Co-Chair of Foley’s Well being Care Observe Group that has about 40 core well being care legal professionals and roughly 200 members in a bigger sector technique who service well being care shoppers. My private observe revolves across the federal well being care applications, particularly a continuum of reimbursement and compliance points that begins with reimbursement methods and continues by regulatory compliance enforcement actions, false claims act settlements, CIA negotiations and implementations. And Shannon, why do not you inform folks what you do?

Shannon Sumner

Okay, properly, hiya everybody. I am Shannon Sumner, I am a Principal and Shareholder with PYA in our Nashville workplace, and I lead our agency’s regulatory compliance service line, and our crew makes a speciality of serving to our shoppers with implementations of compliance applications, serving as an unbiased evaluation group to well being techniques and doctor practices underneath company integrity agreements, to additionally serving as onsite and distant assets to compliance departments in fulfilling their compliance obligations and work plans. So we’re excited at this time, that is the aim actually of this primary podcast in a collection of podcasts, is what we prefer to name reflection and focus and getting again to regular for compliance applications following the general public well being emergency. We wish to share concepts and insights relating to a few of our most continuously requested questions by shoppers. So let’s go forward and begin, Judy.

Effectively, the primary of at this time’s fast hits consists of the subject that I believe all of us will take pleasure in listening to, the PHE is over, lastly, however now what? Effectively, basically each compliance work plan ought to incorporate reviewing the areas, or a few of our shoppers are literally using what’s referred to as departmental self-assessment, to essentially have a look at how they could have taken benefit of among the waivers which have lately expired to make sure compliance. So actually each work plan, if not already, ought to have a few of these parts of assessing the waivers and the way the group has tailored to that. Now, each PYA and Foley have some actually nice assets obtainable on our web sites to incorporate checklists, blogs, and webinars, so remember to examine them out. However actually, Judy, what do you suppose the viewers ought to actually know that is actually necessary for after the PHE?

Judy Waltz

So I believe this is a crucial subject for some reflection for folks to do on their very own. I imply, actually we (Foley) have finished it and we’ll give a few of our ideas. However I believe it is only a time the place we had a really important occasion and three years of speedy response and being in disaster mode actually, and want to consider how that modified our applications when it comes to compliance efforts and the way it ought to change them. So compliance throughout that point seemingly turned extra reactive than proactive as we hope it to be, however there’s some classes to be discovered by that , as properly. It might be particular to every entity. There could also be some essential course of enhancements as a result of through the PHE, there was such a give attention to getting issues finished that fairly frankly, I am certain that some shortcuts had been taken. I’ve seen a couple of of them, and definitely they’re comprehensible when everybody’s working in disaster mode, however these have to be reexamined.

We have now to determine preserve the momentum of compliance, particularly when persons are simply exhausted from COVID, and is there an perspective of tolerance? These had been my ideas as I used to be musing about what’s completely different when it comes to my compliance observe, the compliance a part of my observe publish PHE. And one of many issues that I’ve seen lots of people elevate is what I am calling an perspective of tolerance, an expectation that for those who had been making an attempt arduous and bought the job finished [during the PHE] that among the formalities might not have been completely complied with, however that the federal government and the enforcers will perceive that. I do not suppose they will be that tolerant when it comes to going ahead, that I believe that a few of these formalities could also be excused, however it’s not going to be the free for all that something that occurred through the PHE goes to be acceptable so long as you bought a job finished on the finish of the day.

I believe that we will need to account for the funds which were acquired along with the standard assets, simply numerous issues that occurred through the PHE that we will have to have the ability to stand behind. And a few locations are additionally experiencing some useful resource limitations with the ebb and stream when it comes to medical procedures as folks stayed residence through the pandemic after which caught up after the pandemic and numerous issues of that kind. So Shannon, what are your concepts on all of this?

Shannon Sumner

I actually agree with that when it comes to compliance officers and compliance applications, even earlier than the PHE, actually struggled, in lots of instances, to be extra proactive versus reactive. After which this got here throughout and actually lit the fireplace of getting to suppose, going again in time just a little bit to consider, properly, how did we do it earlier than? And the ways in which we did it earlier than may need not been optimum. To your level, I do really feel as if we have discovered many, many classes of how can we be extra environment friendly. I will speak in only a second about danger assessments and actually understanding what are these dangers exterior of all these areas that had been being thrown our manner throughout COVID and the PHE. And actually articulating among the dangers which can be current for organizations, numerous these are nonetheless there and weren’t addressed due to having to shift to coping with the PHE.

I do know of some shoppers and a few compliance officers who actually had been within the ER serving to to do some administration and triaging in a non-clinical setting, however serving to in a few of these capacities. And in so some ways, I believe all of us have our personal ranges of PTSD and the way did we adapt? And definitely we’ve got a few of our superb shoppers and buddies in well being care business that had been true warriors throughout this course of. So actually eager about be again to regular., I do not know if there ever shall be such a factor, however there have been good classes discovered when it comes to how we reacted, how we tailored, how we collaborated. I’ve seen some shoppers do some debriefs on the place we had efficiencies, the place we are able to proceed a few of these operations and benefiting from among the classes that we have discovered.

However one of many areas that we’re beginning to hear much more questions from our shoppers is said to, properly, the place do I focus? Now that we all know of among the areas that we handled through the epidemic or the pandemic, as we begin eager about it when it comes to assets, all of us type of can return to a few of our tried and true, and a kind of is absolutely the OIG work plan. And so simply reflecting again on a few of these insights that had been added simply this previous month in Could, I actually do not suppose there’s an entire lot of areas that got here as any shock to our listeners. However one of many ones that was listed is said to opioid use, that’s nonetheless thought-about a public well being emergency in and of itself. And per the OIG web site or the OIG work plan, it does speak about how, it is a scary statistic, however in 2021, an estimated 82,310 opioid associated overdose deaths occurred in the USA. I imply, that is earth-shattering proper there.

So the aim of this explicit alert from the OIG is absolutely to give attention to opioid use and Medicare Half D in 2022, they’ve an annual evaluation, and they also’re truly going to be that. And it does present information on the variety of enrollees who acquired excessive quantities of opioids by Half D, and who seemed to be physician buying. I do know we have heard that earlier than, however it additionally identifies prescribers who ordered opioids for giant numbers of those enrollees. And in order that transient truly supplies information on the variety of enrollees who acquired medicine to deal with opioid use problems and the variety of enrollees who expertise such an overdose. So that will be an space to proceed to focus. After which clearly because of the pandemic, the evaluation of affected person hurt occasions, the OIG will decide the extent to which hospitals establish affected person hurt occasions and report these occasions to exterior entities.

After which lastly, one of many objects that was listed in Could was SNF initiated discharges. And it says that from 2011 by 2016, the Older Individuals Act of 1965 was truly an advocate on behalf of older Individuals. So they’re beginning to consider these discharges, to ensure that these discharges had been acceptable. So for our viewers, I believe it might be actually necessary to make sure that these objects in your [local] work plan. However Judy, what are another issues that ought to be thought-about from that exact work plan or areas beforehand reported on the work plan?

Judy Waltz

So let me speak just a little bit in regards to the OIG work plan and the way I see it factoring into compliance at varied hospitals and different sorts of suppliers. So clearly it comes from the OIG and it is now up to date all year long. It was a one-time a 12 months deal. For objects to get on the work plan, one of many OIG places of work has to suggest that they are going to be endeavor or main this examine. And so normally by the point one thing will get to the work plan itself, the OIGs already recognized an issue with that exact concern. So among the statistics that Shannon simply gave us, present that they know there’s an issue there. So positively that you must monitor the work plan and work out if any of those apply to you.

So these aren’t issues that OIG simply thinks could be an issue or could be type of fascinating to have a look at. They’ve recognized sufficient to get some form of formal approval when it comes to going ahead with spending the time and assets to look into no matter this subject is. So clearly monitoring that offers you some concept the place the OIG is headed, the place they’ve recognized problematic areas, a minimum of suspect problematic areas. When it comes to how you employ the [identified issues] although, clearly you are not going to take each single concern that they establish the work plan and put it in your danger evaluation. A danger evaluation actually wants, and Shannon can speak extra about how these are literally finished, however the danger evaluation must be custom-made to the person compliance program and the place you establish your individual highest danger. So that is one a part of growing a danger evaluation, however it’s not the tip of the story. I additionally needed to notice that that OIG is saying that it is two high priorities this 12 months shall be managed care and expert nursing facility providers.

So on the managed care facet, it will be fascinating to see how that performs out. OIG has additionally stated that they will be revisiting their compliance program steerage, all that stuff’s manner previous now, however the first one up that they plan to concern subsequent 12 months goes to be the managed care compliance steerage. So once more, that circles again to what the OIG priorities are. After which with respect to SNFS, Shannon simply shared with us that the SNF initiated discharges is one thing that OIG has recognized as a really excessive danger subject.

So let’s transfer on, Shannon, let’s speak just a little bit about DOJ compliance steerage. I believe one query when folks hear that there is new compliance steerage from DOJ is how does that relate to me, I am only a compliance officer, my small hospital has no legal exercise right here. Effectively, the DOJ steerage, and once more, it is aimed toward legal instances, simply because that is the place they’re centered on this explicit steerage, and that is obtainable on the DOJ web site, which is www.justice.gov.

The reason being that it turns into one thing of a regular of care that if there’s steerage that signifies what DOJ thinks is an effective compliance effort when it comes to making an attempt to forestall fraud, waste and abuse, actually on the legal facet, however it turns into a regular of care when it comes to metrics to use to this system. There’s additionally a brand new DOJ self-disclosure course of the place I believe we’re all accustomed to the OIG self-disclosure course of, and there is additionally one for Stark instances that CMS operates. So now DOJ has its personal self-disclosure course of as properly. And going again to the steerage although, the DOJ steerage that we had been simply speaking about, not the self-disclosure, though you’ll in all probability be disclosing this as properly, the steerage is indicative of DOJ’s focus now on voluntary compliance applications and assuring that they really work.

They are not only a copy of a plan on a shelf, which I’ve a narrative that I will not share proper now, however I do have a narrative about compliance plans on the shelf. One of many parts within the steerage is to inflict private ache, we’re speaking about legal instances right here, however DOJ is on the lookout for clawbacks. Clawbacks, which means that if any individual contributed to a specific drawback they usually benefited from that when it comes to their wage or their bonuses, that DOJ would count on a clawback of these bonuses and wage from the person who was decided to be culpable. So from my expertise, that by no means goes over properly once you deliver that up as a chance. However once more, that is prone to turn into a group customary when it comes to expectations, not simply from DOJ, however from OIG and all the best way down. So Shannon, how about you share some extra specifics on that with us?

Shannon Sumner

Yeah, I might like to. You talked about in regards to the steerage and it is most lately launched communication, and that was truly again in March of this 12 months, the DOJ does reference how they will incorporate or how they’ve included two important modifications to its course of for evaluating govt compensation strategies as a element of a corporation’s compliance program. They usually truly name it “consequence administration,” and they’ll truly assess a corporation’s use of consequence administration as a part of its valuation of a compliance program. So for instance, does the group not solely detect non-compliant habits, but additionally impose these monetary penalties equivalent to contractual provisions that require compensation of compensation acquired because of non-compliant habits? In order you talked about, Judy, these clawback provisions deal with such misconduct. However second, the DOJs legal division is launching a three-year pilot program which would require that as a part of a legal decision compliance applications embrace these compensation associated standards. And moreover, this system will provide wonderful reductions for organizations that clawback compensation in acceptable instances.

In order you talked about, it isn’t precisely an space that organizations might wish to hear, however truly how would a corporation truly go about incorporating a few of these practices in the event that they select to go forward and get forward of this? So among the areas when we’ve got talked by this with our shoppers, a couple of of those questions have arisen when it comes to the way you truly would go about incorporating it. So to start with, after we take into consideration efficiency and efficiency obligations, actually whether or not efficiency evaluations have compliance as an appraisal ingredient for all employment ranges, and does the group align incentives and efficiency analysis standards with ethics and compliance aims? So in lots of instances, you may need a corporation that has what’s referred to as a steadiness scorecard or different measures, however actually is compliance a key ingredient of that, and the way would you go about truly implementing it?

It is simple to say that you simply do it, however you actually have to have a look at among the challenges and among the steps to really incorporating these new expectations. For instance, is the motivation program per compliance program expectations and necessities? One instance of that is whether or not there’s a course of to make sure bonuses and different incentives for moral compliance habits, whether or not they’re tied particularly to established and quantifiable metrics. So truly, how would you go about evaluating it, and is everybody on board with the necessities and the weather of these metrics and what the expectations are? And as I discussed earlier about that balanced scorecard, it will probably solely be balanced if it is given the identical weight, for instance, as any monetary, strategic or medical and high quality measures. Do job descriptions embrace a requirement relating to dedication to compliance and compliance program obligations?

And we’ve got actually seen these at various ranges, some may spotlight or allude to a compliant and moral habits, others that we’ve got seen actually go into numerous element, possibly even linked it to the compliance program and the extra insurance policies and procedures associated to the compliance program. One other space to contemplate are whether or not these expectations for a compliance program, are they clearly communicated throughout orientation after which once more, an annual schooling, after which clearly periodically all year long, how are you speaking these expectations? And are callbacks already getting used as a technique to discourage noncompliance? And one space that we had been requested and had a dialogue with human assets is whether or not these clawback processes are literally compliant with relevant state and federal legal guidelines. A number of different areas to contemplate, what is the group’s course of?

You talked about, Judy, about self-reporting, however throughout the group, are there processes for self-reporting associated to your non-retaliation coverage, to make sure these are aligned? And has the group carried out that compliance program evaluation? And whether or not or not, and I’ve seen some organizations which have finished this and did this many, a few years in the past, which was truly vanguard on the time, is definitely connecting a compliance program evaluation to the senior leaders govt compensation. Similar to some other measures, if they’ve nice findings, then is that linked to possibly an incentive or a compensation bonus construction? If they’ve important deficiencies over time, if it is trended, how are these factored into these or these senior leaders govt compensation?

So there’s numerous completely different shifting components to contemplate and areas to suppose by earlier than that is one thing which you can truly simply say, “Hey, we will clawback provisions or compensation provisions.” So I believed these had been some fascinating ideas which have truly come up in a few of our dialogue with our shoppers. However Judy, one of many issues that you simply had talked about and alluded to earlier is absolutely that danger evaluation and the way earlier than and even throughout COVID, a few of these danger assessments type of went to the facet and actually specializing in extra of a reactive technique, however from somebody who’s conducting a danger evaluation, the place do I begin?

Judy Waltz

So that you’re speaking to a lawyer right here, so I will speak about attorney-client privilege, however I additionally wish to simply remark that publish PHE looks as if a very good time to be doing a danger evaluation. It is form of a floor zero the place you may assess what you’ve gotten in place and what that you must dig in deeper on or retrofit or completely change instructions. The brand new DOJ steerage clearly supplies some further causes to do this. However let me speak about when it comes to for those who do resolve to do a danger evaluation, why, I, as a lawyer, would suggest that it’s finished underneath attorney-client privilege. And that is as a result of, we’ll see if Shannon agrees with me on this, the absolute best result’s that you simply establish an issue you had no clue was there. I imply, the danger evaluation, you are going to establish for the danger evaluation, the areas that you really want somebody to have a look at, however imagine me, some surprises come up alongside the best way.

And the difficulty with attorney-client privilege is it is form of just like the genie within the bottle, as soon as it is gone, as soon as the genie’s out, there is no getting that genie again in that bottle. And it is the identical manner with attorney-client privilege, for those who do not set it up at first with attorney-client privilege and you then discover one thing terrible, you may’t retroactively assert it to cowl no matter it’s you discovered. And imagine me, I’ve had some individuals who actually needed to do this. So you may at all times waive the attorney-client privilege down the road, and I do know some compliance applications have a really strict strategy about attorney-client privileged investigations or danger assessments, with an concept that compliance means transparency, and I get that, and there could also be processes that it’s a must to undergo. One among my shoppers used to, they usually’ve gotten away from this now, however they used to require a protracted memo [to establish that a matter should be addressed under privilege].

You’ll be able to at all times waive the attorney-client privilege down the road, and definitely for those who discover one thing that it’s a must to take care of and disclose and repay an overpayment, you are going to try this. However the attorney-client privilege safety simply offers you much more choices down the road than if it will be circulated to all the world or your organization.

So I believe that they at all times ought to be finished underneath attorney-client privilege, however once more, I am an legal professional. So Shannon, inform us extra about doing the precise work with these danger assessments.

Shannon Sumner

Yeah, completely. And it is fascinating simply listening to your perspective, as a result of I’ve lived on this world and two completely different situations. One, earlier than coming again to PYA, I used to be truly with a corporation, we had been a well being care inner audit group for about 16 years. And so reflecting again on after I would do our organizations danger evaluation, these are the occasions when it was uncommon to be underneath privilege. However on the identical time, to your level, Judy, we didn’t get into, in lots of instances, that stage of study. It was extra of here is a danger space that we have to placed on the work plan after which we’ll dive into it. And at that cut-off date, after we dove into the precise space, whether or not it is a coding or billing documentation audit, or whether or not it was doctor compensation preparations, relationships with referral sources, at the moment is after we would resolve on whether or not to interact, whether or not to do it underneath attorney-client privilege.

From the angle of being a marketing consultant and really conducting danger assessments for shoppers, we do see that extra typically, notably after we get engaged, it could be as a result of there’s a recognized space that wants just a little bit extra deeper dive. And so actually to your level, and to make use of a southern expression, the horse has left the barn, you may’t put the horse again within the barn. And that is the identical situations that we’d encounter in some instances after we had a danger evaluation that was carried out, we recognized a specific compliance matter after which we’d cease after which we’d have dialogue with exterior counsel on shifting that ahead. So these are the 2 completely different worlds that I’ve lived in, however truly it may be a frightening activity just a little bit to do a danger evaluation. However a couple of issues that actually I’ve seen of late with our shoppers as we evaluation their compliance applications and specifically, their danger evaluation processes.

A few of our shoppers, once more, Judy, as you talked about earlier, they’ve that danger evaluation fatigue, just like COVID fatigue, and for a few of us who’ve gotten out of our health routines, we are able to additionally expertise that muscle reminiscence loss. Both we use it or we lose it. So conducting a danger evaluation course of is absolutely related, due to COVID, some suppliers weren’t capable of full their work plan objects from 2020. So we’re additionally seeing the place a few of these danger areas have simply stayed on the work plan they usually’ve been pushed from 12 months to 12 months. And to your level, Judy, now’s a good time to have that contemporary begin, to essentially have a look at as a result of now we even have dangers that weren’t current a couple of years in the past, actually with telehealth and the development of that and the usage of that and the embracement of telehealth, these are some areas that we will see the no surprises act, so many alternative areas have resulted by the final couple of years.

And so to not point out, I believe what’s been a problem for a lot of of our compliance skilled buddies, is that make money working from home actually hasn’t finished any favors to the danger evaluation course of to some extent, which means a lot of our shoppers have voiced how necessary these face-to-face conferences, these crew huddles, stroll within the halls are to constructing these relationships and elevating that organizational consciousness to compliance danger. I believe many people have misplaced that on this pandemic. So because of this, I really feel like compliance professionals truly need to work tougher, in some ways, to establish compliance dangers that could be hiding underneath the floor that traditionally would’ve been elevated throughout these impromptu conferences. As you talked about, I believe it’s a good suggestion to essentially, as you undergo that danger evaluation course of, to essentially actually suppose by the attorney-client privilege and ensure that these areas are being protected.

However there are a selection of issues that suppliers can do to make that danger evaluation course of rather less daunting. We suggest that suppliers actually give attention to these inputs to the method. And as I discussed, after I was in inner audit and conducting danger assessments, I noticed how necessary understanding what I might name your danger universe is as step one. I imply, I discovered a lot in regards to the ever-changing group from the identification of latest joint ventures. I imply, actually there’s been much more of exercise on this house and being artistic with the various kinds of transactions, to new service strains, to numerous new strategic initiatives that actually did require an evaluation of these compliance dangers. One factor although that I discovered is to not overcomplicate the method. I used to be so centered on utilizing the quote, “proper danger rating system” that I overlooked the larger image in making an attempt to drive that complicated methodology.

And that may be a query that we’ll get requested sometimes when it comes to what’s a fantastic compliance danger evaluation software that I can use? And typically we’ll have a look at that compliance danger evaluation software as we’re evaluating the danger evaluation course of for a compliance evaluation, and typically it is extra difficult actually than it ought to be. And I believe it is also necessary to understand the significance of the compliance division in educating the organizational leaders, in addition to the compliance committee on these rising compliance dangers. So with out this engagement by the compliance division, I’ve seen some that actually relied simply on the questionnaire. I believe that is a fantastic begin, however I believe that you must incorporate the opposite parts of the danger evaluation course of as a result of I believe it is a wonderful steadiness as a result of in my expertise from my prior life in inner audit and as a compliance officer, typically a danger evaluation could be simply influenced by a frontrunner’s personal private experiences versus danger to the group at current.

In order that’s why you do want to hunt out exterior counsel, in lots of instances, to get ideas, like name Judy and ask, what are you seeing, what are you seeing a few of your different shoppers going through to essentially just remember to have that holistic danger evaluation course of. And to not point out that the OIG has particular expectations for larger involvement by administration within the danger evaluation course of. In actual fact, as many people know within the newest company integrity agreements, the OIG truly has included language associated to the compliance committee’s duties that particularly state their duty for implementation and oversight of the danger evaluation and that inner, that actually tried and true inner evaluation course of. However as such, we’re seeing suppliers being way more deliberate in leveraging information of the operational leaders. And a few suppliers are literally making a danger evaluation subcommittee of the compliance committee, the place that subcommittee quite than the compliance division is main the cost for the danger evaluation course of.

Judy Waltz

Effectively, Shannon, let me simply make a degree earlier than we transfer on right here, and that is upon getting your danger evaluation finished, that you must ensure that all the pieces that is recognized in there’s handled. It will increase your danger astronomically for those who get a danger evaluation finished after which do not deal with no matter is in there. So you have to be dedicated and you have to have your management dedicated that no matter it’s that comes out of this danger evaluation, you are going to embrace and repair. And there could also be some paybacks or change of processes, it is not one thing that you simply simply do and examine off that you simply’re finished now. That is one of many issues that once you’re CIDs, that are principally subpoenas on steroids, they usually additionally enable for private testimony, that is the opposite massive benefit for DOJ with a CID, that [the risk assessment report] shall be one of many issues that’s requested, and so it will probably’t simply be placed on a shelf.

And Shannon, you additionally talked about, I believe you had been speaking in regards to the OIG’s compliance program effectiveness toolkit earlier, and that is obtainable on the OIG web site, a joint effort between OIG and HCCA that I’ve discovered very helpful. It’s totally lengthy, it has 1,000,000 questions, and I do not use all million questions, however when it comes to beginning with making an attempt to evaluate what’s going on, it has numerous simply actually helpful guidelines sort issues that I’ve simply … I believe it is only a actually useful doc to get. It would not substitute a danger evaluation, however when it comes to getting your head round the place that you must go for these danger assessments, I believe it’s extremely useful.

Shannon Sumner

Judy, that is a fantastic level. I believe that software actually helps to deliver some sensible steerage when it comes to the expectations. Not everybody in each group would be capable of adjust to all of these questions that you simply talked about, however it actually is an effective software. We truly make the most of that in our compliance program assessments, we’ve got seen many consumers try this as properly, to get a very good foundational begin to their danger evaluation course of, in addition to their, what I name their foundational parts of their compliance program. One merchandise that you simply simply talked about that made me take into consideration the opposite subject that we wish to cowl is about not doing a danger evaluation and placing it on a shelf. After we consider different areas of documented danger, one space that I do know each Foley and PYA have seen numerous lately is said to transactions, notably due diligence associated to numerous sorts of transactions.

One of many areas that I recall again in my audit days is I used to be concerned in serving to to guide the due diligence actions for 2 well being techniques coming collectively. And I will date myself right here, this was truly again once you printed issues and you place them in three ring binders and also you pulled them out and also you flipped by them. And I can bear in mind the transaction was closed, the joint names had been going up on the buildings, and we had been so excited. And I bear in mind wanting and pondering, there’s numerous info in these three ring binders that we wish to ensure that we deal with, associated to due diligence. And definitely the DOJ has truly included steerage inside their documentation of compliance applications and a few of these expectations, and one part actually is said to transactions. And so when it comes to the steerage, they are surely speaking about how {that a} well-designed compliance program will have a look at and conduct a complete due diligence of any acquisition targets.

We see it the place many people have been concerned in these actions, however what they really say is actually associated to this due diligence exercise, did you do the work, and did you comply with up on that? So Judy, to your level, would you say that one of many greatest danger areas might be the identification of a danger and it simply will get positioned on that shelf, and from a figuratively talking, not on a precise bookshelf, however possibly in information and digital information someplace. So what are your ideas associated to the due diligence actions and a few of these dangers which can be recognized?

Judy Waltz

Effectively, they’re essential, for certain. And I can inform you we do numerous due diligence right here, and it is shocking what’s discovered. And I am additionally flashing again to a case of an acquisition that was dealt with not by our agency, however by a agency that wasn’t … I do not know the way it occurred, however in some way the client ended up inadvertently buying a house well being company in Florida. Now speak about excessive danger. They usually weren’t within the residence well being enterprise, so in some way this asset got here together with the deal. So then we dealt with the due diligence, which was after the acquisition. So it was already theirs then they usually needed to stay with it. And there have been some recognized issues there, as you may think, from a house well being company in Florida.

So it is crucial that what you are moving into, hopefully earlier than you purchase these issues, as a result of assuming that you simply’re, with respect to the federal well being care applications, assuming that you simply’re buying the [provider] numbers, so right here we’re speaking principally about half A, but additionally can prolong into half B, you are shopping for into these issues. There is not any saying that it occurred earlier than our time. It is your drawback when you get into the combination, and so it truly is necessary to do this due diligence forward of time.

Shannon Sumner

Yeah, I bear in mind taking that doc or that grasp plan for the due diligence, and really that was my compliance work plan for a minimum of a 12 months to essentially get by that. And the advantage of on due diligence is that numerous people and corporations, they usually’ve truly gone by and finished numerous the evaluation to begin with, however it’s actually as much as the compliance and different members of the group to take these issues critically and ensuring that you simply do have these work plans. So Judy, from a takeaway perspective, what are among the areas that we should always inform our viewers to essentially take away from our podcast?

Judy Waltz

These are my ideas, after which Shannon, be at liberty to throw anything in. Initially, the PHE is over, that is fairly apparent, however that is one thing that we’d like to consider, how issues are going again to a brand new regular or possibly an previous regular in some respects, however the PHE is over, the waivers are gone, the tolerance for the chaos and all of that’s over. So secondly, I might say that compliance goes to be crucial within the publish PHE atmosphere. And I believe we have to take a while to establish, after I say we, I imply the collective we, not simply we, Shannon and me, however we have to take a while to establish and course of the teachings that our explicit entity discovered through the PHE. I might recommend that individuals give attention to the brand new DOJ steerage and take it as a sign that the enforcers are shifting the needle, so to talk, of their expectations of the extent of duty, notably of the folks on the high. After which I might say think about a publish PHE danger evaluation. And Shannon, what about you?

Shannon Sumner

Yeah, positively from the publish PHE danger evaluation, as I discussed earlier, there have been so many processes that had been both consolidated or utilizing extra expertise than earlier than, and that actually resulted in some efficiencies and a few processes are sticking now that will not have been thought-about earlier than we had been thrown into this pandemic, I might say, to essentially take that look, to do this due diligence by yourself processes to see had been there any which can be staying, do we have to replace our insurance policies and procedures? As a result of one statistic that I heard from a consumer that actually hit residence for me when it comes to the group actually modified considerably, is when you consider how a lot turnover that many well being techniques had. And so that you’re retraining and relearning an entire new workforce in some instances, and everybody type of brings their very own experiences, they bring about their very own skills, however there’s additionally some danger that might be current since you are having to retrain and reacclimate people to what’s a compliant work atmosphere.

And so additionally, we simply lined a couple of areas at this time, however actually there’s so many extra areas which can be ripe for a danger evaluation. As I discussed earlier, the no surprises act, pricing transparency, actually cybersecurity is an space that we hear time and again when it comes to how will we be certain that we’re staying on high of the web of issues. So there’s a treasure trove, Judy, for compliance officers to make the most of among the assets which can be obtainable for identification of danger and to make sure that these dangers are being handled, to your level, on an ongoing foundation for the group.

Judy Waltz

And with that, I believe we’ll thank our viewers for his or her time at this time. It has been enjoyable for Shannon and me to speak backwards and forwards. We recognize that you simply joined us.

Shannon Sumner


Thanks everybody.

Judy Waltz

And so now I will flip you again over to Angie and Jana and they’ll have some concluding remarks. So Angie and Jana, as much as you.

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